Tuesday, 18 June 2013

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013/6/18 Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>:
> hi,
> On Di, 2013-06-18 at 11:16 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
>> Hi!
>> 2013/6/18 Steve Langasek <steve.langasek@ubuntu.com>:
>> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> >> I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core issue:
>> >
>> >> On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:05:08 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>> >> [...]
>> >
>> >> As long as Canonical declines to work with the rest of the free software
>> >> community,
>> >
>> > Well, I think that's an altogether inaccurate and unfair characterization.
>> > Canonical has always been open to working with "the rest of the free
>> > software community"; what Canonical has not been willing to do is blindly
>> > follow where certain self-appointed "upstreams" would lead, when that
>> > conflicts with the business's goals.
>> Well, working with the upstreams (who usually know their code best),
>> making compromises, trying to convince upstreams that the way you
>> think something should be designed is best and finally, if there is a
>> consensus, implement that code and make it available to everyone is
>> basically the essence of "working with "the rest of the free software
>> community"". It has never been easy, and if upstreams reject certain
>> features, people are free to fork. But the dicussion needs to happen
>> first and stuff needs to be implemented closely to upstream, so
>> everyone knows about it and it can be accepted easily.
>> Especially the communication step was missing in the Wayland story.
> so the right reaction is to now reject the communication from the
> upstream/flavour side as a punishment for this ?!?
There is no communication at the moment - mentioning stuff on a
Mailinglist, which upstream developers most likely won't read (you
cannot be subscribed to every distribution's ML) does not help.
Contacting the upstreams directly on their mailinglists (the KWin ML
or the GNOME Mutter ML) is the step to do.
My comment was about the communication with Wayland. Speaking to
Wayland developers doesn't make sense anymore, since Ubuntu is doing
Mir now.
Although emotion is involved, there are technical reasons for not
considering Mir, which Martin has summarized in a Blogpost. There is
no hostility against Canonical. Ubuntu is important, and you can
assume that people want to support it, if the tradeoffs aren't too

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