Monday, 17 June 2013

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

On 06/17/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 04:22:41 PM Marc Deslauriers wrote:
>> On 13-06-17 04:00 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:41:29AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
>>>> Do you have any more details, or opened bugs about the issues?
>>>
>>> An X one for example
>>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=xrr-ubuntu
>>
>> I was looking for issues that were caused by Unity-specific patches.
>
> I think it rather misses the point to do that. What I passed on was the
> upstream kwin perspective. Given that no kwin developer actually uses Kubuntu
> (they don't), it's quite likely that they may have misattributed the reasons
> for things, e.g. someone either on mail or IRC in conversation on this topic
> indicated that the prime driver behind pushing bleeding edge Mesa versions
> wasn't Unity, but hardware support requirements. It's quite likely that an
> upstream that's uninvolved with Ubuntu will understand all the reasons for all
> the changes, they just see the bug reports.
>
> I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core issue:
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:05:08 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:16PM +0200, Thomas Voß wrote:
>>> Yup :) I think a good way forward is to coordinate a call with
>>> Jonathan and Martin from KWin such that we can walk through the code
>>> together and identify the central points that would need to be mapped
>>> to Mir. We can then start discussing potential solutions how to add
>>> KWin support for Mir.
>>
>> I'm afraid I don't have interest in such a call and neither do the
>> KWin maintainers. I don't know anything about the KWin codebase or
>> how to begin porting it to another platform. KWin are busy porting it
>> to Wayland, the display server with consensus across Linux distros and
>> have no interest in supporting a display server with unstable API/ABI
>> that is only in one distro (from a company who have a track record of
>> not maintaining their features, we're having to drop indicator menu
>> support in Kubuntu because it's changed API). Porting KWin to Mir
>> would take several man-months at least and ongoing maintenance and I'm
>> very skeptical Canonical would take that on.
>
> As long as Canonical declines to work with the rest of the free software
> community, those of us that are trying to do that are fundamentally
> disadvantaged. Canonical presumably has good business reasons for behaving as
> it is, so I won't even argue they should do things differently. I don't
> understand the business rationale well enough to be able to say. I do think
> that the long term effect on flavors that aren't deeply embedded in the
> Canonical technology set is reasonably clear and we shouldn't try to hide it.
>
> Scott K
>

This thread is filled with offers from Canonical engineers to work with
the rest of the free software community to make Mir usable and useful
for their projects.

Michael Hall
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