On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 09:19:36 PM Scott Ritchie wrote:
> On 07/23/2013 12:02 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 06:59:43 AM Robie Basak wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 01:51:46AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >>> I think most developers would believe the current situation is
> >>> appropriate.
> >>
> >> I disagree.
> >>
> >>> By default users have the same access to source and binary packages and
> >>> for a free software distribution, that is the ethically correct
> >>> approach.
> >>
> >> Indeed, but you never replied to my original response to your concern.
> >> By "same access", do you specifically require the mechanism to be to
> >> keep users' local apt caches maintained with source entries? If so, why
> >> is such a mechanism necessary to fit the spirit of Free Software? If the
> >> user still has easy access to the source, why is this not sufficient?
> >>
> >> I'm happy to discuss what "easy access" might actually mean, but I see
> >> no reason that it should require the waste of users' bandwidth and time.
> >
> > Sorry. I didn't mean to ignore you.
> >
> > What's easy? For example, I think "install more packages to get the tools
> > to get the source" (use pull-lp-source in ubuntu-dev-tools) doesn't
> > qualify. There are tons of documentation all over the web and other
> > places as well that assume apt-get source works.
>
> I agree, it would be nice to keep existing things working.
>
> > So those are a couple of examples of what I think is definitely not what
> > we
> > want. I'm open to discussion about alternate ways to preserve easy access
> > to the source.
>
> What if we disabled default source fetching but changed apt-get source
> to offer to turn them back on when it was run?
One other aspect of this that has occurred to me is that adding new sources
(whehter they are present, but disabled or added new) takes administrator
rights. Currently, any user of the system can get source using standard
distro tools (apt-get). If you have to add a repository, you either have to
be an admin or get one.
Scott K
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