Wednesday, 6 December 2017

Re: need help resolving python-setuptools backport fail

On 12/06/2017 05:32 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> hi,
> Am Dienstag, den 05.12.2017, 10:29 -0800 schrieb Walter Lapchynski:
>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 10:27:14 +0100 Oliver Grawert <>
>> said:
>>> did you consider a snap ?
>> No, I did not. What guarantee would there be that a user with Trusty
>> would be able to even find it? If they have trusty-backports
>> installed
>> and there's standard packaging, they'll automagically get the update.
>> Not so with snaps.

Snaps show up in the software store, and we'll do the same for CLI users
so that snaps are nicely discoverable.

>> Snaps are nice and all, but they don't seem really
>> ideal as a backport solution for this very reason.

Let's work together to fix that issue, so that we don't have to do as
much work backporting everything with complex chains of dependencies.

>> If this is a
>> common
>> response to backports, I guess it explains why there are so many
>> unanswered backport requests against Trusty. Maybe if there were
>> whole
>> desktop systems completely maintained through snaps only, this might
>> be
>> a reasonable approach, but we don't have that.

We're moving to just that approach, for just this very reason. We want
to enable everyone to get the latest version of LibreOffice the day it
is available upstream, not wait to upgrade their whole world, or deal
with insane dependency trees. The dependency mechanism is fantastic for
the OS release itself, but it becomes impossible to then accommodate
change over time in the app layer. Hence the list of backport requests.
Let's fix that. If you want to focus on discoverability for snaps, that
would be great.

> along with that i noticed there is actually an offlineimap snap in
> progress sitting in the candidate channel today that you should be able
> to install via "sudo snap install --candidate offlineimap" on all
> releases and distros that have snapd available (details are at: 
> and i bet popey would
> appreciate help and testing)

Yes I bet he would, though he seems to be up to date with 7.1.4 in the
edge channel :)


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