Wednesday 14 April 2021

Re: Will installation on BIOS systems with no ESP be supported in 21.04?

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 19:08, Sai Vinoba <saivinob@sumati.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Liam,
> I just want to know if it is not possible for you to allocate around 200-500M and mark it as 'EFI System Partition' as the installer is requesting? It doesn't require major re-partitioning, doesn't have to be the first partition, it can also be extended partition. I checked putting EFI partition as an extended partition and it installs and boots properly. Tools like Gparted would help you do this without affecting your already existing partitions.
>
> That said, if you really don't want to create an EFI parition, you can consider using Lubuntu. It uses Calamares, not ubiquity and as such is not affected by this bug. I did few BIOS mode (MBR parition) installs today, without an EFI partition and it installs and boots without any issue.

I am aware of that (although I was under the impression that it had to
be a primary partition).

The things are this:
• I always run in legacy BIOS mode if I can; it's simpler, more
familiar, and there is less to go wrong;
• Almost all my computers multi-boot 2 or more OSes. Some of the OSes
I use can only be installed in primary partitions, of which one disk
can only have 4 in total;
• If you already have OSes such as DOS or Windows on a computer,
adding a new primary partition can break things; it can also cause
problems such as out-of-order partitions;
• switching from BIOS to UEFI boot mode, or _vice versa_, can cause
recent, UEFI-aware Windows to fail to boot;
• and last but not least, I don't *want* a useless, needless ESP.
• I mainly run old, upgraded copies of Ubuntu with Unity, but also the
new Unity remix. I don't want LXDE or LXQt and don't want Lubuntu. I
prefer Xfce and on other distros use that, and this bug does also
affect Xubuntu; I replicated it myself.

But if all these things were not already true, then even so:

• This is a _new bug_, and did not affect 20.04 on any of my
computers. Indeed after 20.10 failed to install on one, I reinstalled
20.04 without problems;
• If there is some new but valid reason why Ubuntu now _requires_ an
ESP and no ESP is present _then it should create one_;
• legacy-BIOS machines are still common and should be supported; I own
3 or 4 in regular use;
• also, a legacy BIOS is the default config for most hypervisors I have seen.

I find it astonishing that this issue was not picked up in testing --
a clean install in VirtualBox with default settings would exhibit it
-- and that it has been left unattended for nearly 6 months. And as I
have said by providing other links, e.g.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/mpkfv3/error_in_the_install_so_i_was_trying_to_install/

... it is not just me -- it is affecting dozens of other people. 23
people are watching this:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1893964

I have been told it's not important, that you can manually install
GRUB, that I am wrong to not want an entirely useless extra partition,
and now to change my default remix and use a different desktop. I
cannot understand this. It's a bug. A bug that will cause installation
to fail on millions of perfectly working PCs that were fine with the
previous version is not a trivial issue.

Today I have received notifications that someone has taken over the
bug and submitted a fix, but it took threads on here, on Discourse and
a post to Hacker News to get some action. This is to me an astonishing
failure in bug triage.

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