special cases? Or perhaps amend the SRU process to incorporate bits
of Backports?
Specifically, I'm thinking of cases like this bug I've been working on:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipmctl/+bug/1903204
Where I'm working on trying to get a package updated wholesale in
Focal. SRU feels like the wrong approach here, but at the time I
didn't realise there may have been other avenues to pursue. Backports
feels like cases like this one would be much easier and cleaner
resolve as it provides a means for a much larger update to a package.
Of course, I'm also viewing that as only for cases like this where
there's a package that needs to be updated, but is not a core piece
(mdadm, for example, is generic enough that changes there need to be
SRUs instead) and builds cleanly on the older toolchains.
That's just my 2 cents worth of opinion. I will work through whatever
processes I need to, but this seems like it could still be quite
useful, I just need to know who to bug to get a package uploaded (if
you choose to keep it available in some form).
Note, this is not a common thing for me, most of my work is in patch
pulls for kernel SRUs, I hardly ever touch user space, but there are
cases like ipmctl and ledmon that need updating and could benefit from
an easier process.
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 9:49 AM Robie Basak <robie.basak@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 02:33:58PM +0100, Iain Lane wrote:
> > The best way forward would be if someone had the spoons for that.
> > happy to help review, but I'm not likely to drive it, sorry. In the
> > absence of any of this happening, I would support notifying folks that
> > the current process is deprecated.
>
> Right - this is the problem. We all have ideas about how to improve
> things. But until/unless someone steps up and drives, I think we're
> actively harming our community by the broken process still existing.
> Given that nobody has managed reform in years, I think it's time we gave
> it up.
>
> Separately, I'm unhappy about continuing any process which gives some
> set of privileged people access to upload to backports but is
> effectively closed to everyone else. This isn't very Ubuntu. Either the
> privileged people need to sort out an effective review process, or the
> pocket should generally be closed to new uploads regardless of your
> status.
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