Thursday, 26 January 2023

Re: Setting NotAutomatic for hirsute+1-proposed

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 08:30:33PM +0100, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
>On 2023-01-20 21:47, Steve Langasek wrote:
>>On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 01:44:12PM +0100, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
>>>On 2021-01-21 11:20, Robie Basak wrote:
>>>> will need a
>>>>rework though. We link to that from every SRU bug.
>>>That page was last updated on 2020-06-19, and is obsolete. Would be
>>>great i someone could follow up the change and edit the
>>>Testing/EnableProposed page so it makes sense again.
>>Have you run into problems with the instructions on that page? I
>>skimmed it and aside from mentioning "Selective upgrading from
>>-proposed" which is redundant for newer releases, I don't immediately
>>see anything incorrect there. If you can point out where it's wrong,
>>I'll happily edit it to correct it but I don't have time just now to
>>run through the full instructions there to find out what doesn't

Maybe the change of behavior here is the confusing bit?

Previously, following the first part of the guide (before the "selective
upgrading" docs) would be enough to install the desired package(s) from
proposed without specifying the pocket in the apt command.

>First I have to admit that I thought the change had been implemented
>already in jammy. I see now that that's not the case, at least not
>As regards the contents of the wiki page, you are right and I stand
>corrected — there is not much of directly incorrect information.
>I think it's mostly about my personal taste: I have long thought that
>the page is overly complicated. I made use of Ask Ubuntu to illustrate
>what a less wordy page might look like:
>That Ask Ubuntu answer is not exactly targeted people like the ones
>who have participated in this list thread. I have rather the not so
>tech savvy user in mind, like a bug reporter who wants to help verify
>a proposed SRU fix.
>I simply fear that the current wiki page contains so much information,
>so a prospective tester may be discouraged to follow through.

Perhaps, in the first section, after

"It is recommended to enable selective upgrading from -proposed as
described in the next section!"

we could metion the NotAutomatic setting and point out that just
creating the file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, as shown in the guide,
will no loger make the user's system to prefer newer packages from
proposed, as it would happen in the past. Instead, they should follow
the next section (selective upgrading from -proposed). If they desire
the former behavior they could change the preferences file priority as

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