agree with the Technical Board that there doesn't appear to be
sufficient justification for the Technical Board to mandate changes to
the release calendar.
On Tue, Mar 4, 2025 at 7:53 PM Simon Quigley <simon@tsimonq2.net> wrote:
> - Depending on the final date of Full Freeze and how close it is to Q cycle's Feature Freeze, we could extend Debian Import Freeze (but not Feature Freeze), under the assumption that we trust the Debian Release Team.
> - This could involve an extended sync blocklist with a small amount of automation.
Debian 12 went from Hard Freeze to release in less than 3 months. If
Debian 13 is released faster (which is a reasonable possibility),
Debian 13 will be released before Ubuntu 25.10 Feature Freeze.
> - Depending on the final release date, we may want to consider whether autosync should be disabled in R cycle altogether.
I suspect this is an unpopular proposal. Debian is beginning to freeze
this week, but Ubuntu 26.04 LTS will not be released until more than
one year later. Ubuntu has a tradition of shipping reasonably recent
software when compared to the date a Ubuntu release happens.
If we wanted to follow Debian's release cycle, then we wouldn't wait
until April 2026 to publish our LTS release. Or if Debian cared about
matching Ubuntu LTS's release cycle then it would adjust its calendar.
But Debian has consistently released in odd years for 20 years.
> - Would it be a fair idea to set stricter feature-based requirements during the R cycle, to avoid major changes being stuck in the proposed pocket?
This feels vague to me. I think this could be a separate Discourse or
email thread since it's different enough than your other proposals.
> - Something major along the lines of an old GCC version, GTK 2, or X11.
GTK2 will still be in Ubuntu 26.04 LTS. Practically most software that
people care about no longer uses GTK2 as we have managed to remove
most of the GTK2 helper libraries. A rough list of the remaining
things using GTK2 can be found at https://bugs.debian.org/947713
X11 will also still be available in Ubuntu 26.04 LTS. Whether
individual official Ubuntu desktop flavors ship Wayland and/or X11
sessions is a decision for the desktop flavor maintainers. I don't see
a need for either the Ubuntu Technical Board or Ubuntu Release Team to
be involved with that decision.
I do have one removal I am following. I would like to raise the
severity of the bugs for packaging using libsoup2.4 to Release
Critical in Debian after Debian 13 is released. The Ubuntu list is
longer and there are packages shipped by Ubuntu Desktop flavors. I
don't expect to spend time myself porting apps or libraries so it's
possible Ubuntu 26.04 LTS would still include libsoup2.4 in universe:
https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/transitions/html/libsoup3.html
Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha
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