Tuesday, 23 July 2013

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 08:21:40 AM Jordon Bedwell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > Assuming add-apt-repository was installed by default, it's close. I think
> > something like this might be reasonable (imagine some policykit or
> > whatever it is called now magic here):
> >
> > $ sudo apt-get source hello
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
> > Would you like 'source' URIs to be added? (y/N)
> > Y
> > deb-src lines have been added to your sources.list.
> > ...
> > Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com saucy/main Sources [1,001 kB]
> > Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com saucy/restricted Sources [6,578 B]
> > Get:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com saucy/universe Sources [6,071 kB]
> >
> > In other words, it's, I think, possible to make it roughly as easy as it
> > is
> > now to get source without having the sources.list "cluttered". For users
> > of our releases, I doubt it saves much, but that would be a way to do it
> > that both avoids whatever amount of bandwidth usage is involved until the
> > user opts in to it, but preserves ready access to the source that I think
> > is important.
> Depending on how clever and one-off you want to be you could also just
> give them the http url to the source as well. It shouldn't be that
> hard to guess since apt already has most of the information needed to
> just generate the URL from a chosen apt server in the normal deb.
> This would allow for one-off downloads (for example somebody needs to
> look at the way debian does some of it's compiles so they can
> replicate without a package so they grab the source for nginx --
> that's a one-off IMO if they would never use any other source
> package.)
>
> Though I personally like a default command that would be something
> like add-apt-default-sources so you can also give them the ability to
> run that command and disable sources too (but you can already do that
> via the GUI and terminal by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and such.)

Before we run off and expend a lot more effort on this, I'd like to see
something other than handwaving that this is really is a significant issue.

/ubuntu/dists/raring-security/main/source

[ ] Release 24-Jul-2013 01:16 106
[ ] Sources.bz2 24-Jul-2013 01:16 32K
[ ] Sources.gz 24-Jul-2013 01:16 38K

For end users, how much is really downloaded?

/ubuntu/dists/raring-updates/main/source

[ ] Release 24-Jul-2013 01:16 105
[ ] Sources.bz2 24-Jul-2013 01:16 50K
[ ] Sources.gz 24-Jul-2013 01:16 62K

/ubuntu/dists/raring-updates/universe/source

[ ] Release 24-Jul-2013 01:16 109
[ ] Sources.bz2 24-Jul-2013 01:16 64K
[ ] Sources.gz 24-Jul-2013 01:16 77K

It doesn't seem like a lot.

Scott K

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