Tuesday, 23 July 2013

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

Or 90/110K per day per computer for Precise. I guess what was getting
me is the additional 6-7MB during install or first update:

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/universe/source/ 4.8M/5.9M
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/ 912K/1.1M

On 24 July 2013 09:31, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 08:21:40 AM Jordon Bedwell wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> > Assuming add-apt-repository was installed by default, it's close. I think
>> > something like this might be reasonable (imagine some policykit or
>> > whatever it is called now magic here):
>> >
>> > $ sudo apt-get source hello
>> > Reading package lists... Done
>> > Building dependency tree
>> > Reading state information... Done
>> > E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
>> > Would you like 'source' URIs to be added? (y/N)
>> > Y
>> > deb-src lines have been added to your sources.list.
>> > ...
>> > Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com saucy/main Sources [1,001 kB]
>> > Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com saucy/restricted Sources [6,578 B]
>> > Get:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com saucy/universe Sources [6,071 kB]
>> >
>> > In other words, it's, I think, possible to make it roughly as easy as it
>> > is
>> > now to get source without having the sources.list "cluttered". For users
>> > of our releases, I doubt it saves much, but that would be a way to do it
>> > that both avoids whatever amount of bandwidth usage is involved until the
>> > user opts in to it, but preserves ready access to the source that I think
>> > is important.
>> Depending on how clever and one-off you want to be you could also just
>> give them the http url to the source as well. It shouldn't be that
>> hard to guess since apt already has most of the information needed to
>> just generate the URL from a chosen apt server in the normal deb.
>> This would allow for one-off downloads (for example somebody needs to
>> look at the way debian does some of it's compiles so they can
>> replicate without a package so they grab the source for nginx --
>> that's a one-off IMO if they would never use any other source
>> package.)
>>
>> Though I personally like a default command that would be something
>> like add-apt-default-sources so you can also give them the ability to
>> run that command and disable sources too (but you can already do that
>> via the GUI and terminal by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and such.)
>
> Before we run off and expend a lot more effort on this, I'd like to see
> something other than handwaving that this is really is a significant issue.
>
> /ubuntu/dists/raring-security/main/source
>
> [ ] Release 24-Jul-2013 01:16 106
> [ ] Sources.bz2 24-Jul-2013 01:16 32K
> [ ] Sources.gz 24-Jul-2013 01:16 38K
>
> For end users, how much is really downloaded?
>
> /ubuntu/dists/raring-updates/main/source
>
> [ ] Release 24-Jul-2013 01:16 105
> [ ] Sources.bz2 24-Jul-2013 01:16 50K
> [ ] Sources.gz 24-Jul-2013 01:16 62K
>
> /ubuntu/dists/raring-updates/universe/source
>
> [ ] Release 24-Jul-2013 01:16 109
> [ ] Sources.bz2 24-Jul-2013 01:16 64K
> [ ] Sources.gz 24-Jul-2013 01:16 77K
>
> It doesn't seem like a lot.
>
> Scott K
>
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