Wednesday, 22 January 2014

Re: [ubuntu-cloud] Potential Server Seed impact for 14.04: removal of OpenJDK/Tomcat7 from Ubuntu main

Similarly Ubuntu with OpenJDK and Tomcat is something that we run on
quite a few servers and so we would value it being in main.

Additionally the impression I get from debian-java (perhaps wrongly, I
don't follow it that closely) is that since OpenJDK now exists as an
open source Java implementation efforts to make things work with gcj
have much reduced. OpenJDK is a pain because of all the security
vulnerabilities but it is a complete implementation which everything
works with, gcj is not (aiui). I don't think that relying on gcj is a
good move going forwards.

Daniel

On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 16:14 -0500, Edward Holcroft wrote:
> Not having a well-supported OpenJDK would be a disincentive for me. All my
> 12.04 Tomcat servers use OpenJDK. I was planning continue this arrangement
> when we upgrade to 14.04.
>
> I hope I'm not alone in saying it's most comforting to have a well
> supported OpenJDK/Tomcat solution on Ubuntu. I would not want to resort to
> using Oracle.
>
> cheers
> ed
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM, James Page <[email protected]> wrote:
>
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> > Hi Folks
> >
> > The first round of seed review changes have now been applied to the
> > server seeds; quite a few bits have dropped out of main and the size
> > of the server ISO has reduced!
> >
> > Next - the foundations team have been reviewing whether we should
> > continue to provide OpenJDK as the default Java implementation in
> > Ubuntu; this package is quite a resource drain on both the foundations
> > and security teams from a SRU perspective so demotion of openjdk7 to
> > universe is being considered.
> >
> > Most Java-ish things in main can be built using gcj; however Tomcat7
> > is not going to work with gcj so would end up being demoted as well.
> >
> > What do people think to this plan? Are OpenJDK and Tomcat7 important
> > packages for Ubuntu users? Will not having a well supported OpenJDK
> > implementation in Ubuntu main discourage people from using Ubuntu to
> > host their Java based applications? Or do users still just use the
> > Oracle Java downloads instead and ignore what Ubuntu provides?
> >
> > Let me know what you think...
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > James
> >
> > - --
> > James Page
> > Ubuntu and Debian Developer
> > [email protected]
> > [email protected]
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