On 20/01/16 18:39, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> On 13 January 2016 at 12:26, Ben Howard <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> On the Ubuntu Cloud Images, we have a request to make /tmp a tmpfs. The
>> rationale, from the bug:
>> * Performance - much faster read/write access to data in /tmp
>> * Security - sensitive data would be cleared from memory on boot,
>> rather than written (leaked) to disk -- important for encryption
>> Since the Ubuntu Cloud Images are used by a wide number of users, I
>> wanted to gather feedback and gather consensus on whether or not we
>> should make this change.
> IMHO this is specifically a bad idea on cloud-images.
> Sure, it may improve the performance of an individual instance
> (however, i do doubt that).
> But it will increases committed, non-shareable memory per instance.
> The net effect would be increased memory usage on the compute node,
> higher over-committed memory.
> And hence lower container (lxd) / VM density per node. I don't think
> neither public or private cloud users would be happy, with lower
> instance count per node.
> I would be ok, if overall steady state committed memory usage would be
> reduced in 16.04.
> Looking at the hardware trends, we are ever increasingly on the verge
> of breakthrough into persistent memory. NVMe, 3D XPoint, HPE
> Persistent memory. Which is certainly targeted at the cloud. It
> implies that "hard-drive" access speeds will be catching up to those
> of memory, and remain persistent across power interruption. When
> clouds will be powered by that, instead of using RAM, one would be
> increasingly expected to store everything on disk.
> And it's not that far off. DAX (previously XIP) support has landed in
> the kernel, and in qemu-kvm. Above mentioned technologies certainly
> will become available during 16.04 support time-frame, and would be
> used by clouds pioneering those technologies.
> Or going further, memory map the disk direct into code memory and just
> use it direct - no need to deal with filesystems, serialisation,
> deserialisation as the binary in-memory representation of the data is
> in-fact persistent on disk. But i'm skeptical / fuzzy about it.
> /tmp on tmpfs on cloud-images is not a practical choice today, and
> it's not forward-looking, given the impeding hardware advances.
It would be also interesting to see the dirty page activity of a VM with
tmpfs and without tmpfs. A lot of rapid dirty page activity in a VM
could affect other tenants, aka "The Noisy Neighbour", as well as
chewing through the shared L3 cache. (This may not be an issue in years
to come when features like Intel Platform Shared Resource Monitoring and
Cache Allocation Technology becomes mainstream )
Anyhow, monitoring of data page activity can be achieved using the
soft/dirty bit on Page Table Entries (PTEs) that get set when a page is
written to. I quick way to see the activity is to monitor the VM using
pagemon , however, we may need a more specialised hack^H^H^H^Htool to
get some useful stats on page activity to see the affect of tmpfs on the
host when running in a VM
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