Wednesday, 29 June 2016

Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386

Hi Martin,

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 08:18:54AM +0100, Martin Wimpress wrote:
> Excuse the top posting, only have a phone available.

> Ubuntu MATE works with a few organisations around the world, one in my own
> country, that refurbish donated computers, install them with Ubuntu MATE
> and give (or sell them for next to nothing) to schools, disadvantaged
> families and people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford a computer.

> I'll get in touch with them and find how, or if, this decision would affect
> them.

For various reasons (e.g. compatibility with legacy 32-bit apps on the
desktop; IoT devices running Ubuntu Core), we should not expect to be
dropping i386 as an architecture from the archive before 18.04.

Individual flavor communities should therefore feel comfortable making their
own decision about whether to continue providing i386 images in 18.04,
independent of what we decide for the Ubuntu Desktop and Server flavors -
with the caveat that, since the forcing function for dropping these flavors
is security supportability of key applications, community flavors should
avoid representing to their users a level of support that they are in no
position to deliver on.

> I saw a mention of armhf in this discussion. Does this proposal put the
> armhf archive in jeopardy?

Neither armhf nor i386 should be dropped from the archive in the 18.04 time
frame; both are supported architectures for snappy Ubuntu Core.

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> Regards, Martin.
> On 29 Jun 2016 8:02 a.m., "Jeremy Bicha" <> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Seth Arnold <>
> > wrote:
> > > I propose that 16.04 LTS should be the last release with i386 support.
> > > That way we don't leave anyone with a choice of (a) keep running
> > > known-insecure 17.10 in 2018 or (b) figure out how to do a downgrade
> > > back to 16.04 LTS.
> >
> > +1 Dropping the i386 install disk is much better immediately after an
> > LTS instead of immediately before.
> >
> > > I'm not sure how we acheive this specific goal but I think we shouldn't
> > > encourage i386 (or armhf?) users off of 16.04 LTS.
> >
> > We can tell update-manager and do-release-upgrade to not allow
> > upgrading i386 with an explanation of why. That should send a big
> > signal that it is no longer officially supported.
> >
> > Jeremy