> I have been playing whack-a-mole trying to fix usage of those two
> commands in all the places. It will be a painful and long process, not
> only because we need to merge changes from Debian, but because we have
> Ubuntu-specific deltas that use those commands all over the place as
> well.
>
> I agree that it is unnecessary transition to be done for Jammy. We can
> choose to schedule this transition after Debian in a post Jammy
> release.
>
> It is in no way an expression of opinion about this transition, purely
> a choice to coordinate timing of it with our release schedules.
>
> +1 from me please go ahead, I was contemplating to propose the same myself.
The Ubuntu Release team is also in favor of reverting the recent
debianutils changes. Thanks for working on this!
Cheers,
Brian
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>
> Dimitri.
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 12:53 PM Robie Basak <robie.basak@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> >
> > You may be aware of a couple of recent changes in debianutils in Debian:
> >
> > 1. The "tempfile" command has been removed.
> >
> > 2. The "which" command now prints a deprecation warning on every
> > invocation.
> >
> > These have ramifications across the archive, and also outside the
> > archive, as everything that relies on these commands need adjusting.
> >
> > This kind of big change is being done in the right place in Debian's
> > release cycle - shortly after a release. But for Ubuntu, it's the
> > opposite - we're a few months away from an LTS release.
> >
> > Risk 1: before everything is settled, we release an LTS that is
> > unpolished with regards to these changes.
> >
> > Risk 2: the changes may prove unpopular with users. Given that these are
> > deprecations coming from Debian, it seems odd for Ubuntu users to face
> > this ahead of Debian and without appearing in our interim releases
> > first. Debian may end up applying mitigations for specific affected user
> > stories but we would be stuck with the behaviour defined at our LTS
> > release time.
> >
> > Proposal: we revert these two changes in an Ubuntu delta on the
> > debianutils package, and reconsider syncing back with Debian _after_
> > Jammy is released.
> >
> > Then Debian can lead the way, and we won't get additional work ensuring
> > that there are no user-facing warts ahead of Debian's schedule.
> >
> > Any objections to an upload to debianutils in Ubuntu reverting these two
> > changes?
> >
> > Robie
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