>Hi Matthew,
>
>On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 03:28:32PM +1300, Matthew Ruffell wrote:
>
>> I was testing Jammy and happened to notice that unattended-upgrades
>> Depends on ubuntu-server-minimal, and when removing unattended-upgrades,
>> ubuntu-server-minimal is removed along with it:
>
>> $ sudo apt remove unattended-upgrades
>> ...
>> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>> ubuntu-server-minimal unattended-upgrades
>> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>>
>> $ sudo apt rdepends unattended-upgrades
>> unattended-upgrades
>> Reverse Depends:
>> Recommends: python3-software-properties
>> Recommends: ubuntu-mate-desktop
>> Recommends: ubuntu-mate-core
>> Depends: freedombox
>> Recommends: fbx-all
>> Depends: ubuntu-server-minimal
>
>> Should unattended-upgrades be changed from Depends to Recommends for
>> ubuntu-server-minimal?
>
>> It is very common for our larger users to remove unattended-upgrades so
>> they can manage their systems patching manually.
>
>It's not necessary to remove the unattended-upgrades package in order to
>achieve this. unattended-upgrades is configurable, and it's sufficient to
>set 'APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0";' in
>/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades (or, in a separate file that sorts
>lexically after, if that works better for the user's configuration
>management system) to disable unattended-upgrades at runtime.
>
>Therefore I do not think we should relax the dependency for this use case.
It is a change in the expectations and established practice for
enterprise deployments who manage their own upgrades (i.e., currently
they can simply remove unattended-upgrades and require no further action
ever).
Is there a benefit to having u-u dependent on the server-minimal
metapackage?
Is there a risk that package upgrades to u-u could reenable it?
-J
>> I filed a bug against ubuntu-meta:
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1954724
>>
>> I was in the process of making a debdiff, and I happened to notice that
>> unattended-upgrades is only in the server-minimal-$ARCH files only:
>>
>> $ grep -Rin "unattended-upgrades" .
>> ./server-minimal-armhf:23:unattended-upgrades
>> ./server-minimal-riscv64:23:unattended-upgrades
>> ./server-minimal-arm64:23:unattended-upgrades
>> ./server-minimal-ppc64el:23:unattended-upgrades
>> ./server-minimal-s390x:24:unattended-upgrades
>> ./server-minimal-amd64:23:unattended-upgrades
>>
>> When I also ran the ./update script in ubuntu-meta, it automatically repopulated
>> server-minimal-$ARCH with unattended-upgrades again, so it seems I am missing
>> something to do with dependency magic in the archive.
>
>The dependencies from ubuntu-meta are generated from the seeds:
>
> git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu
>
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