> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Jeremy Soller, and I am Principal Engineer at System76. We
> released a statement on Age Verification laws last Thursday that you
> can read here:
>
> https://blog.system76.com/post/system76-on-age-verification
>
> Our Founder and CEO, Carl Richell, was able to get a meeting with
> Senator Matt Ball today to discuss the Colorado version of the
> California bill, SB26-051. His statements after the meeting are as
> follows:
>
> https://floss.social/@carlrichell@fosstodon.org/116201429734101067
>
>> Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS
>> Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.
>>
>> Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This
>> appears to be a real possibility.
>>
>> Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope
>> we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA
>> bill amendments.
>>
>> No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to
>> advocate for the open source community.
>
> At this time, we are seeing what kinds of changes might be made to
> these laws before they become effective. I would not generally advise
> working on any technical solution when the laws are ambiguous and
> likely to be amended. In the best case, although I believe it is
> unlikely, open-source operating systems would not have any work to do
> at all. In the worst case, different jurisdictions may have conflicting
> laws.
>
> We and our users greatly value our privacy, and I would hope not to see
> over-eager work on a technical implementation that is heavy handed and
> potentially jurisdiction specific. We at System76 are also awaiting the
> legal opinions of other operating systems, like Ubuntu, and those would
> likely be valuable to all potentially affected operating systems.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Jeremy Soller
> System76
> Principal Engineer
> jeremy@system76.com
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2026, at 12:48 PM, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:
>> Given that this is related to legal stuff, I should preface this by
>> saying I am not a lawyer.
>>
>> Recently, a new law was passed in California that requires OS vendors
>> to provide some limited info about a user's age via an API that
>> application distribution websites and application stores can use. [1]
>> Colorado seems to be working on a similar law. [2] The law will go
>> into
>> effect January 1, 2027, it is no longer a draft. I do quite a bit of
>> work with an OS vendor (working with the Kicksecure [3] and Whonix [4]
>> projects), and we aren't particularly interested in blocking everyone
>> in California and Colorado from using our OSes, so we're currently
>> looking into how to implement an API that will comply with the laws
>> while also not being a privacy disaster. Given that other
>> distributions
>> are also investigating what to do with this, and the law requires us
>> to
>> make a "good faith effort to comply with [the] title, taking into
>> consideration available technology", I figured it would be a good idea
>> to bring the issue here.
>>
>> At its core, the law seems to require that an "operating system"
>> (I'm guessing this would correspond to a Linux distribution, not an OS
>> kernel or userland) request the user's age or date of birth at
>> "account
>> setup". The OS is also expected to allow users to set the user's age
>> if
>> they didn't already provide it (because the OS was installed before
>> the
>> law went into effect), and it needs to provide an API somewhere so
>> that
>> app stores and application distribution websites can ask the OS "what
>> age bracket does this user fall into?" Four age brackets are defined,
>> "< 13", ">= 13 and < 16", ">= 16 and < 18", and ">= 18". It looks like
>> the API also needs to not provide more information than just the age
>> bracket data. A bunch of stuff is left unclear (how to handle servers
>> and other CLI-only installs, how to handle VMs, whether the law is
>> even
>> applicable if the primary user is over 18 since the law ridiculously
>> defines a user as "a child" while also defining "a child" as anyone
>> under the age of 18, etc.), but that's what we're given to deal with.
>>
>> The most intuitive place to put this functionality would be, IMO,
>> AccountsService. The main issue with that is that stable-release
>> distributions, and distributions based upon them, would be faced with
>> the issue of how to get an updated version of AccountsService
>> integrated
>> into their software repositories, or how to backport the appropriate
>> code. The law goes into effect on January 1, 2027, Debian Bookworm is
>> going to be supported by ELTS until July 30, 2033, and we don't yet
>> know if Debian will care enough about California's laws to want to
>> backport a new feature in AccountsService into Debian Bookworm (or
>> even
>> Trixie). Distributions based on Debian (such as Kicksecure and Whonix)
>> may still want to comply with the law though, so something using
>> AccountsService-specific APIs would be frustrating. Requiring a whole
>> separate daemon for the foreseeable future just for an age
>> verification
>> API would also be annoying.
>>
>> Another place the functionality could go is xdg-desktop-portal. This
>> one is a bit non-ideal for a couple of reasons; for one, the easiest
>> place to put the call would be in the Account portal, which returns
>> more information than the account's age bracket. This could
>> potentially
>> be considered non-compliant with the law, as it states that the
>> operating system shall "[s]end only the minimum amount of information
>> necessary to comply with this title". This also comes with the
>> backporting disadvantages of an AccountsService-based implementation.
>>
>> For this reason, I'd like to propose a "hybrid" approach; introduce a
>> new standard D-Bus interface, `org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1`, that
>> can be implemented by arbitrary applications as a distro sees fit.
>> AccountsService could implement this API so that newer versions
>> of distros will get the relevant features for free, while distros with
>> an AccountsService too old to contain the feature can implement it
>> themselves as a stop-gap solution.
>>
>> Taking inspiration from the File Manager D-Bus interface [5], I think
>> something like the following might work:
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE node PUBLIC "-//freedesktop//DTD D-BUS Object
>> Introspection 1.0//EN"
>> "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/dbus/1.0/introspect.dtd">
>> <node name="/org/freedesktop/AgeVerification1">
>> <interface name="org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1">
>> <method name="SetAge">
>> <arg type="s" name="User" direction="in"/>
>> <arg type="u" name="YearsOfAge" direction="in"/>
>> </method>
>> <method name="SetDateOfBirth">
>> <arg type="s" name="User" direction="in"/>
>> <arg type="s" name="Date" direction="in"/>
>> </method>
>> <method name='GetAgeBracket'>
>> <arg type="s" name="User" direction="in"/>
>> <arg type="u" name="AgeBracket" direction="out"/>
>> </method>
>> </interface>
>> </node>
>>
>> * The 'User' argument would, in all instances, be expected to be the
>> UNIX account username of the user in question. This user account
>> must
>> not be a system account (i.e. its UID must fall between UID_MIN and
>> UID_MAX as defined by /etc/login.defs). If a user is specified that
>> does not exist or whose UID is out of range, these methods will
>> return the error
>> 'org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1.Error.NoSuchUser'.
>> If the specified user is not the same as the user making the method
>> call, and the user making the method call is not root, these methods
>> will return the error
>> 'org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1.Error.PermissionDenied'.
>> * The 'YearsOfAge' argument of the 'SetAge' method should be an
>> unsigned integer specifying the age of the user in years at the time
>> of the method call. (The law specifically allows providing simply an
>> age value rather than a birth date if desired.)
>> * The 'Date' argument of the 'SetDateOfBirth' method should be a
>> string
>> in ISO8601 format (i.e. YYYY-MM-DD) indicating the day on which the
>> user was born. If the argument is invalid, the method will return
>> the
>> error 'org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1.Error.InvalidDate'.
>> * The 'AgeBracket' output argument of the 'GetAgeBracket' method will
>> be
>> an unsigned integer between 1 and 4 inclusive, where 1 indicates
>> that
>> the user is under 13 years old, 2 indicates that the user is at
>> least
>> 13 and under 16 years old, 3 indicates that the user is at least 16
>> and under 18 years old, and 4 indicates that the user is 18 years
>> old
>> or older. If no age has been configured for the user yet, the method
>> will return the error
>> 'org.freedesktop.AgeVerification1.Error.AgeUndefined'.
>>
>> I propose that the exact way in which age information is stored by the
>> daemon should be left implementation-defined. For Kicksecure, the way
>> we implement it will almost certainly store only the age bracket and
>> require users to explicitly reconfigure their age once they are old
>> enough to move from one age bracket to another. Other implementations
>> may choose to store the date of birth or the age and date on which the
>> age was set so that they can automatically update the age bracket as
>> time passes. This interface will be provided *on the system bus* (NOT
>> the session bus!), and the D-Bus service that provides these services
>> should run as root. The file containing the user-to-age mappings
>> should
>> be owned by root and should not be world-readable, to prevent leaking
>> the user's specific age to malicious applications.
>>
>> Some things I did think about when writing the above but ultimately
>> decided to not propose:
>>
>> * Detailed permission gating for the 'GetAgeBracket' method. The only
>> reason to do this would be for additional privacy, and
>> privacy-conscious users can simply lie about their age or the age of
>> the intended user. There isn't anything in the law (that I can tell)
>> that prevents the user from just saying "I'm 18" when the prompt
>> appears and going with it. This would also be really difficult to
>> implement outside of the context of xdg-desktop-portal, and would
>> probably only work with sandboxed apps if it was implemented that
>> way.
>> * UX for actually requesting the age from the user. IMO this is out of
>> scope for FreeDesktop; individual distros should see to it that they
>> prompt for the user's age or birth date at "account setup" (whatever
>> that happens to be defined as for the distro in question), nudge the
>> user to provide the information later on for existing installations,
>> etc. Furthermore, this mechanism needs to work even on CLI-only
>> installs and maybe even on server installs, depending on how one
>> defines "general purpose computing device" (as specified by the law
>> in question), so defining any specific UX is likely infeasible. (If
>> this is required on servers, end-users will probably want to
>> auto-provision the age information somehow, and specifying how to do
>> that in a distribution-agnostic way is impossible given that Ubuntu
>> uses cloud-init, Fedora uses Kickstart and Ignition, etc.)
>> * Omitting the 'SetDateOfBirth' method. It can be lived without
>> legally, but without the method, it becomes difficult for software
>> that already records the user's date of birth to accurately
>> implement
>> automatic age bracket adjustment as time passes. This isn't a
>> feature
>> Kicksecure would use, but it's a feature some projects might be
>> interested in.
>>
>> Thanks for taking a look at this.
>>
>> --
>> Aaron
>>
>> [1]
>>
>> https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043
>> [2] https://leg.colorado.gov/bill_files/110990/download
>> [3] https://www.kicksecure.com/
>> [4] https://www.whonix.org/
>> [5]
>>
>> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/file-manager-interface/
>>
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I appreciate that Sen. Ball is being as forgiving to open-source projects
as he is. Honestly, more people should proactively try to contact their
politicians regarding these laws. Could help prevent a lot more
frustration for both us and regular users.
Great work, both to you and Carl. Hopefully we can protect open source
from legal doom for more years to come.
Cheers as always,
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