On Tue, 2025-01-21 at 16:51 +0100, Marco Trevisan wrote:
> Hi Robie,
>
> Without much reading further on... I'd just say: Yes please!
>
> Then...
>
> On gen 21 2025, at 4:19 pm, Robie Basak <robie.basak@ubuntu.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I can't force anyone not to switch immediately, but preferably
> > either we
> > all move or nobody moves to prevent further fragmentation. Please
> > don't
> > leave anyone out of conversations because they aren't lurking in
> > both
> > places. First let's discuss, and if we decide to move, then we can
> > pick
> > a date to move the "official" place for realtime Ubuntu developer
> > conversation.
>
> I agree, at the same time I also think it's not to be too hesitant on
> the switch or the date to pick.
>
> Given that the current channels are almost dead, unless in some
> specific
> moments, so switching away from IRC shouldn't really hurt much.
>
> While it may (even though I've the feeling it's already too late),
> bring
> some more people to be active there.
>
For what it's worth Edubuntu and Ubuntu Studio have already moved their
respective IRC channels to Matrix rooms. The IRC channels are merely
being monitored.
The Ubuntu Studio website no longer links to the IRC channels, and the
only links that still point to the IRC channels are in the Ubuntu
Studio Information submenu of the launcher menu in 22.04. When Ubuntu
Studio 22.04 goes EOL in April (3 year life cycle), the Ubuntu Studio
IRC channels will also be effectively be EOL.
> > Matrix seems to be well established in the wider Ubuntu community
> > now.
> > Many thanks to all involved in making that happen[1][2][3]!
>
> I think we don't have defined ubuntu development rooms defined yet,
> though... Right?
#devel:ubuntu.com and #release:ubuntu.com both already exist and were
set-up by the Matrix council to make the transition smooth. There's
even a queuebot-like bot in #release:ubuntu.com.
If bridging were to happen, then obviously one of the queuebots (either
the one in Matrix or the one on IRC) would have to disappear as to not
duplicate messages. Either way, the Matrix council has the ability to
work with that.
> > Of course Ubuntu-related discussion happens in all kinds of
> > different
> > places. I'm not suggesting that any Ubuntu IRC channels be shut
> > down;
>
> Since libera stopped their official bridging, I'm still wondering if
> it
> would still make sense to have our bridge to join these channels and
> redirect the matrix messages and vice-versa.
The ability to bridge is still work-in-progress but should be ready for
deployment any day now. I suggest getting ahold of someone from the
Matrix council or Mauro Gaspari (added to this conversation) for more
details.
> GNOME did it for the main channels (#gnome-shell and friends...) and
> while the official channel is hosted as a matrix chat, IRC users can
> still communicate with no issues...
>
> I don't think these days setting up a such setup is very time
> consuming.
>
Slightly harder than you'd think. Libera requires it be ipv6 enabled
with each bridged user having a separate ipv6 address that gets
assigned by the bridging process (idk how it works, tbh).
Unfortunately, getting that set-up was a large task for IS, but I think
they're either close or done.
Bridging will be on a channel-by-channel basis.
> > # Collapsing #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-release into one
> >
> > Personally I don't think the existing split works very well.
>
> Not sure, technically they serve different audience and needs, but
> I'm
> not strong about it. It's also true that splitting later is easier
> than
> joining afterwards (if we start with two matrix rooms).
It can be done, but if it were to be done then the conversation about
bridging would be much more complicated, i.e. which channel does the
Matrix room get bridged to? etc.
Great topic, Robie! I'm glad someone is bringing it up!
Erich
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